How to Tell if A Psychic Medium is Legitimate - Deb Sheppard

How to Tell if A Psychic Medium is Legitimate

Jun-06-22

A great psychic or mediumship reading can be life-changing in so many ways. When it comes to choosing a psychic or medium, it's so crucial that you find someone who is ethical and legitimate because a bad reading can leave you feeling worse than before. As with all professions, some psychic mediums are better and more ethical than others. Listen in as Deb teaches you how to tell if a psychic medium is legitimate and ethical - so you can get a powerful reading that helps you.

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1 (6s):
Welcome to spirited straight talk, the podcast to help you thrive with the help of spirit. I'm Deb shepherd, psychic medium spiritual teacher and author. Each week, I bring new insights to help you heal from loss connect with spirit, enter in setbacks and to triumphs. So let's get started. We more than two and a half decades, I have done at least 55,000 readings. So I do feel like I have a lot of advice or insight to this work. And part of that is understanding for individuals. What is the difference between a medium and a psychic and are all psychics medium?

1 (47s):
No, but all mediums are psychic. So when someone goes to hire a psychic, they are assuming at times that they're also a medium, however, this is not the case. They might be able to just happen somewhat, but they're not true mediums. And if you're hiring a medium to understand the differences in what you're hiring, it's like going to a doctor or to any one. That's an expert. You want to look for someone that has the background that you're looking for. And how do you do that? We're going to give you some tips of what to look for and what to ask as you're hiring somebody and to know what information to take with you.

1 (1m 28s):
And when information may not resonate with you, because just because we get advice from somebody that's called an expert, doesn't mean it's always the perfect advice for you, even though I'm pretty darn good at what I do.

2 (1m 41s):
You definitely are.

1 (1m 43s):
However, there are times where it hasn't always been right on, or there's a little bit of a gray area. So what you want to learn is the background of the individual you're hiring. When you look at psychics and mediums, unfortunately they don't go to a college and get that degree. And they always don't have the ethics that are needed for their practice. So these are some things I'm going to recommend that you look for as you begin to look or hire someone that is in this profession, first of all, you want to make sure that they have references. You know, have they been doing this for a while? Is there testimonials?

1 (2m 24s):
So for me, when I started this work, I really didn't have a direction. I went by my gut feeling. And part of that was giving back to the community, doing a lot of readings that were, I would didn't charge. And I, you know, went into communities that would allow me to come in and practice my trade and then begin to establish my work, the following, or references, things like that. And your reputation, my reputation. And I had a blessing of being invited on the radio and things like that. Go ahead.

2 (2m 54s):
I was going to say it just in case the audience, hasn't learned how you started. Maybe you should share that cause it,

1 (3m 1s):
Yeah, because a lot of people, if you ask them how long they'd been a psychic, they'll say, well, since I was a child, that wasn't my case. Even though I can go back and remember certain times in my life where there's those aha moments when we were telling you that I had a dream, that Elvis died in the bathroom and my mom said, what do you want for your, your French toast? You want powdered sugar or syrup? And of course she died in the bathroom, which is just what my dream said. So

2 (3m 27s):
Not long after it. Right.

1 (3m 29s):
Correct. And I really didn't have a connection to Elvis other than I knew who he was. Right.

2 (3m 34s):
And you were held,

1 (3m 36s):
I'm trying to remember maybe like early chains.

2 (3m 39s):
So like between,

1 (3m 41s):
Between, yeah, I'm trying to remember, but I remember just calling mom, you know, with that said, a lot of people will say, I've known this my whole life, that wasn't me. And, and I'll tell that story. So even though someone has done it their entire life, you want to look at how long they've had a practice in place, because there's a difference between just knowing things versus helping people through their own journey, which is really to me, the key. But we were going, I was married at the time. We were going through some challenges regarding employment and money. And a girlfriend of mine told me about funkshway. And I started studying that. I had no idea what it was. It was something foreign to me. However, when I started practicing the methods in the belief systems around funkshway, I could feel that people and I still had no idea what that meant.

1 (4m 30s):
I happened to call a girlfriend and told her about who I was hearing from him, which was her father.

2 (4m 34s):
And this was 21 years ago. So it was not Google. Wasn't a thing.

1 (4m 39s):
No, there was a lot of that. And I remember just going into the library and reading books going, okay, well, I guess I'm a medium, what do I do with that? Had no idea, like, okay, what is this about? And

2 (4m 49s):
I knew it was loved ones that have crossed over knowing you had that ability and connecting with you.

1 (4m 57s):
And I didn't understand ethics and boundaries at the time. And I remember going to a couple parties in my neighborhood, like bunko and things like that. If you heard of that during those years and someone, you know, having a glass of wine and someone's grandfather would come through and I'd be crying about their, their grandfather, I wasn't always invited back to those, to those kinds of gatherings again, which makes sense, because I didn't have my ethics and boundaries in place. I didn't understand how to manage what was happening. It's like Pandora's box opened up, everything opened up and I could feel everything and I didn't know how to manage it. And over time, in a short period of time, I realized I had to manage it, create boundaries and have ethics because no one wants to just have you walk up to them and tell them someone's here.

1 (5m 42s):
And I know that there is mediums that do that and individuals that do that.

2 (5m 46s):
However, it didn't have a mentor right now.

1 (5m 48s):
I just so trial and error.

2 (5m 50s):
Yeah. So, but you had somebody who wasn't medium that you could call up and

1 (5m 56s):
She was in the medium. She was, oh, she was a psychic and Laverne. I'm sure she's passed because she was in her eighties at the time. And she's actually the one that she had a friend read for me and say, you know why don't? Cause I was worried about my husband's career. And she was wearing she on the other side of the table doing readings. And I thought she was crazy. Not realizing this would be my future. And I kind of argued with her, but Laverne was really supportive. She was one of those people that encouraged others with abilities to show up. And I called her and said, I can't live having these voices in my head all the time. How do I turn it off? And she says, well, what, time's your appointment?

1 (6m 36s):
And I go, oh no suits 30. And I'd probably answer just like that. And she says, well, tell them to leave you alone until the time of your appointment. So I said, okay. So I turned it off. I said, okay, I don't want to hear from anybody. And that's when you hear the crickets that we call, we didn't hear anything. And so I started thinking, oh my goodness, maybe I turned everything off and I have these clients. Oh shit. Yeah. So with that said, I thought, okay, well, worst case scenario, I've turned it off. And if I don't get anything, I'll just not charge these individuals because obviously I can't do it. Well, they came in and I sat down and said, okay. And all of a sudden it opened up and I was able to hear their loved ones and do the session, which told me at that time, I don't have to be on being psychic 24 7.

1 (7m 22s):
And I think a lot of people in this line of work want to be turned on all the time. And I just don't think it's healthy because we need to have an earthly experience. We're human. So we need to be able to live through our experiences, but not have that wiring in us at all times at on button. And I don't want to be, I don't want to be with people, always getting their information and people will think, oh, are you reading me? And like, you know, you know, my joke is there's no money on the table. I'm not doing a reading and that's not true. But what I believe is it's not my right to go into your space without your permission. And I, I noted this as, as I get older, I know I need to lose weight.

1 (8m 5s):
I don't need someone to walk up to me and say, you know what? You need this diet plan. You needed to do this because I'm, maybe I'm not ready to make those changes. Maybe getting to this place where I am with my weight. There's a journey involved. There's other things involved. We, most people don't want unsolicited advice. Unsolicited advice is the worst. Yeah. Yeah. So, and people have tried to come up to me and tell me, you know, what? You should be doing this or that. And it is like fingers on a chalkboard for me. And if I am in a relationship with people and friends, even you and I, I don't go in and say, Dana, this is what you should be doing. When we have those conversations, we open up to it. Both of us, our intuition, cause you're highly intuitive as well.

1 (8m 46s):
So we use those skills when we're on the job, let's put it that way. And a lot of people think that they can just be open at all times. And I don't think that's healthy for the people in your life, as well as yourself. If you are looking for, to hire a psychic and medium, I will give you some, some tips that I think are important.

2 (9m 9s):
I mean, of course, of course, call tab. Well, first and foremost,

1 (9m 16s):
Not always have you been the one that booked appointments, but when someone calls to book an appointment, what are usually their questions? How do you respond? What do you think are some of the main highlights of,

2 (9m 27s):
Well, I will say that that honestly you have such a great reputation. It's my job is easy. 90% of the time they call the reason I have

1 (9m 39s):
Minutes right now to answer one question

2 (9m 41s):
Occasionally that happens and I have to, I have to stop myself from chuckling, but for the majority of the time, my job is easy. I can't, I, I have to say that your reputation is fantastic. And so you have a lot of people that have seen you over the years that will always come back and see you work at their checkup or, you know, whatever the case is. But for the person that's calling in that that wants to book that has never experienced a session with you,

1 (10m 14s):
Or even a medium

2 (10m 16s):
Or even a medium. Yeah. You, you definitely get a lot of people that are new to this topic or whatever you want to call it. But first question is, is she really, is she really that good? Or why can't I book with her in the next few days? Or really she's six months booked out. Oh my God. You know? So those are really the things that I run into. But for the most part, people are, they're just ready to see you and they wish they could see you today, but they know they have to wait. So

1 (10m 50s):
If they're not booking with me, I think it's important for people to look for a psychic and medium that has a good reputation.

2 (10m 57s):
And that does come up. Yeah. A lot, you know, if I'm walking them through that, I always recommend because if they can't book with you,

1 (11m 6s):
For

2 (11m 6s):
Whatever reason, whatever reason, or they can't wait to see you, I always say, do your due diligence, make sure you find a reputable medium or a certified medium you're certified. You've been tested. And so

1 (11m 21s):
A lot of times,

2 (11m 22s):
Yeah. So I do bring that up. That, that you're worth the wait in that

1 (11m 27s):
I've heard people say I had two other readings before yours. I, I probably wasted some of my money, you know, and that's okay. Because I think it's important for people to have the experience, to know the difference too. And if you're looking for someone that does have a good reputation, you want to see testimonials social media. If they're not on social media, you really want to know then how do I know that they're a good person, that they, they actually have ethics and they can that messenger. And it's coming to the place of, you know, what is their ethics, which is, I think the biggest thing when it comes to this work is our line of work. We have to create our own ethics. And so when I teach students, which I love the teaching part of this, if they want to do this as their business, ethics is the biggest thing I come up with.

1 (12m 13s):
And I tell them to do their internship, which means do at least a hundred readings for free. Now

2 (12m 19s):
They have to do an internship with you

1 (12m 21s):
Because I want them to really be able to know that when they charge, they feel confidence because they want to trust their intuition. They want to trust what they're getting. And I have heard so many horrific stories that I want to talk a little bit about.

2 (12m 34s):
This is where brought it up. This is why we're talking about this. Actually. Yeah.

1 (12m 40s):
When I start hearing some of the comments that other people in my profession have said, I want to get on my soap box. And I worldly want to be that preacher and like

2 (12m 52s):
Teacher, teacher, teacher versus

1 (12m 55s):
'cause. I don't want to talk bad about somebody else, you know, their experiences and how they channel information is going to be maybe different than mine. So I can't judge how they do their business, but in the same time, I want you to understand that when a medium says to you that your loved one is stuck, or they're still on the earth plane, or they're in another place that you can't connect with

2 (13m 17s):
Or they're in between,

1 (13m 18s):
They're in between. So when someone, as a medium says, I can't connect those type of answers, ask more questions. Like where are they? Why are they stuck?

2 (13m 28s):
You as the client, ask them,

1 (13m 31s):
Ask them questions. Now for me, there has been, no,

2 (13m 34s):
I say just from my experience behind the camera, behind the scenes, the scene as if they see something like that, take your money and go because what we found and the feedback from clients that you've met with that you've helped through that process after they've been hurt is so hurtful to the client. They can't,

1 (13m 59s):
We still have

2 (13m 60s):
Guilty that yeah. It creates such a guilt and such a sense of just shame, especially with the child past,

1 (14m 10s):
Or they had to make some tough decisions regarding their loved ones, passing, like taking them off life support.

2 (14m 17s):
Yeah. To watch you help them work through their process though and help them through that. But that's after somebody who maybe isn't so great at their job,

1 (14m 28s):
This is the other part I get with it. There, there have been a few times in my career where I haven't been able to connect with someone they wanted to, and it could be for lots of reasons. One could be, I've had a really long day and I've been doing lots of readings and I'm wore out, or you wanted 40 people to come through. And I was able to get 30. Yeah. There's a point where it's almost a, an overkill, it's like going to a, a buffet and eating everything. That's on the buffet and not digesting it or eating the whole plate. You want to realize that there is a limitation to our energy because we're moving energy through. If someone I can't connect with, I own it.

1 (15m 9s):
I say, I'm not getting anything, but I'm sure they're okay. This is take the information that came through of all the loved ones to know that there's, they're in the same situation. They're there. It's just me being,

2 (15m 21s):
I've never seen you not be able to connect with a loved one's energy. I have. Okay. I, I believe

1 (15m 27s):
Again, private sessions or something where I'm just like, I can't get in there and not getting it. Yeah. And it's not, I don't tell them that it's, it's the loved one's fault. And that's the difference is I'll take the accountability versus saying, what's going on with that loved one. It could be lots of different reasons. And it might be,

2 (15m 45s):
They could have reincarnated, although you connect with their energy through a Kashic records.

1 (15m 50s):
Absolutely. However, sometimes we're just

2 (15m 53s):
Spinning.

1 (15m 54s):
Yeah. And I, and I refer this back to our ability. So people think that we know everything, or we should be able to know everything. And one of the things I had to learn about being humble, which is the biggest thing, cause this is when people say it's a gift, you know, that just irritates me. This is an ability like everybody else,

2 (16m 11s):
I think it's special. But yes, I agree with

1 (16m 14s):
Your people. They can do this, but it doesn't mean I'm special, better than somebody else. I'm just good at my trade. Just like when you hire someone, you want them to be good at their trade, what you're hiring. But when someone is pregnant, I'm usually wrong, which is now a comedy act where people go like, look, what am I having? And I'm like, I don't know. And I'll guess, and I may be writing me a 50, 50 chance. Right. And it was

2 (16m 37s):
Difficult.

1 (16m 38s):
Now I should say, well, they haven't decided what they're going to be yet. Maybe I should go with that answer or when they're born and they're about eight, maybe they'll

2 (16m 45s):
Choose to

1 (16m 45s):
Be another sex.

2 (16m 47s):
I know there are cis-gender oh no. There's a couple of things

1 (16m 52s):
Regarding that, that I love. And this is what I, I used as a teaching tool. My guides in your loved ones, give me information. If they don't give it to me, I don't have the answers versus looking at me having the answers. You never see a psychic winning the lottery. I mean, have I ever, I watched these channels of people winning the lotteries and no one said I was, I was a psychic or I'm a psychic. We are also limited to the ability of what we can get. And there's a reason for that. We're not all-knowing we have a lot of information. We see things and feel things differently. So we're able to download what comes through. But if we're not giving that information, we're not allowed to just make something up.

1 (17m 32s):
Honor. It I'm not getting anything on that. There's nothing wrong with saying that.

2 (17m 36s):
Right. Well, you have a team, a team behind you. You're your guides source universe. God loved ones

1 (17m 45s):
Believes

2 (17m 46s):
It's all there, but you can receive and share what you're told is what you're saying,

1 (17m 55s):
Right? Yeah. And for some things, I think we're not supposed to know everything. I use the example of when someone, if you have a doctor and our attorney, whatever that you're hiring, you want to make sure that they actually went through the, the education and the testing to be licensed. Because if they were given the answers, would you want to hire that person? Are they an expert? So when I'm giving information, if you're not supposed to get that information, that there is a process that you are supposed to go through and trust that and trust yourself, the information isn't going to be valid for you at that time, it's like telling the child at five versus 15, how babies are born. You know, you decide how information is going to come through.

1 (18m 35s):
And if the person you hire, isn't owning it and they're making an excuse, that socket, that's not good. They need to be humble. They it's important. In my opinion, to say, I'm not getting this information. This is how it feels. Or how does it feel for you? Cause a medium or especially a psychic. It should be a lot of the information that comes through should validate how you're feeling because you've been hearing information from your guide. So that's one of the things to know with a psychic or a medium is, you know, is it feeling right in your soul? And again, going back to not being able to get the sex of a, an unborn child to me is saying, keep humble. You're you're not all knowing, you know what we give to you.

1 (19m 17s):
And that cue creates boundaries. And it teaches me to say, I only get information again. I'm gonna repeat this. That is given to me, but I'm not gonna make an excuse. The reason why I can't get it, it is it's not being given. I've had people go, well, I will, I know they'll get tons of information, but then they'll go, well, what did my dad call me? What's my nickname. I'm like, I have no idea, you know, to see what, you know, whatever. I don't know. However, sometimes it comes through. I have, now that she's a friend, she told her husband that she was going to come for a reading to connect with her father. And he wasn't a believer in this, which is normal. A lot of times people do not tell their loved ones, family members, friends that they're going, because they may be judged.

1 (19m 59s):
You know, you're wasting your money. It could be their religious beliefs. And so during the session her father came through and it was a good reading and she goes, well, my husband doesn't believe in this. I said, that's okay. You know, everyone has their own rights to opinions. Absolutely. And she goes, he wants to know the color of his carpet when he was a kid. I'm like, okay, I'll see if I get anything. And I went on with the reading and as I was getting closer to wrapping up, I said, blue, green. And she goes, what? I said, his carpet was blue, green. It came through. And I think his mother had passed was probably where I got the information. So she went home to tell her husband about this carpet. And he couldn't remember the color of the carpet. So he had to call his sister and the sister said, yeah, it was blue green.

1 (20m 40s):
And it was like, wow. So it can come through. But my job is not to prove to you. I can do these days. My job is to give information. You decide what to do with it. Don't expect when you hire someone for them to have every answer for you because you have your own responsibility. It's like, if you go to a doctor and they say, Hey, you need to exercise and change your eating habits and a, B and C. If you don't do it, things are going to change at the same time. You have to decide, do you want to take the accountability for your health? That's the same with this kind of guidance. Right? What do you think about all that?

2 (21m 14s):
I think you're a good teacher.

1 (21m 16s):
Okay. And that's the other thing is if someone you're hiring continues to want you to come to them, have a red flag up for that. So we're not licensed therapist. And I do have a lot of therapists that help people through grief and loss and therapists that send people to me. My job is to do a reading and then move them back to the therapist. If someone is continuing saying, well, I have more information. I'm going to charge you more, take your credit card and run. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I like to actually empower people and have them trust her own intuition versus coming to me, coming to me, it is evidence that their loved ones are around them or the intuition they're getting or the feelings or they're having are real to, to trust it.

1 (22m 4s):
But I like to teach, you know, I love teaching. So teaching people to bring up their intuition, to understand their limiting beliefs, to build a tune in to their own site, you know, their own intuitions and abilities and to see science from their loved ones, I would much rather do that than, than continuing to have readings with me.

2 (22m 24s):
There are people that see you a couple of times a year or once a year that continue to see you for readings, but you don't recommend they come and see you for readings, like all the time, all the time. Yeah. But you want to empower them by having them take some classes and learn about their own intuition and abilities. Yeah.

1 (22m 45s):
And have that Camille I'm all about community. And so some of my workshops are a weekend or they're online up to six months to a year mentoring. So you you're, you're having X access to me, but I'm not just giving a reading. I'm helping you develop. What are those fears? What's the limiting belief, but what keeps you from really opening up? Because we're all born with our intuition. We just, through culture in our life, we turn it off because we don't trust what's coming through. So if this person is continually having you come back, the question that, and if someone comes back to me for another reading, I always go, is it more than what you already experienced? Or do you have more questions? What didn't get answered to make sure that I'm not giving the same information I have before when that's happened.

1 (23m 31s):
I say, you know, you can't book another session until you do these things. So my ethics are don't keep coming back to me for the same answers. Here's some advice. Here's some tools. Here's some books do these things before you decided to make another appointment with me, because I don't want to be that person that just puts a bandaid on the situation. I want people to feel empowered. So question is about the person you're hiring. What is it that they're helping you with? And at the same time, is it more that they need a therapist, someone professional versus someone in our category?

2 (24m 7s):
Well, you have, from that perspective, you have people that have a loss or a significant loss, any type of loss that comes to you, as well as there, they're stuck in their life process. And they come see you to help work through that because you can connect with their guides, go through their life stuff and help unpack it. Yes. From an intuitive perspective, as well as from their past life perspective. But you talked about earlier, the difference between a psychic and a medium. So you have people come see you for all three of those things past lives, medium connecting with loved ones that have crossed over,

1 (24m 44s):
Including for babies,

2 (24m 45s):
Including for babies. Yeah. And because animals

1 (24m 49s):
Are family.

2 (24m 50s):
Yeah. And then also intuitive life stuff. So teaching them to work through all that on their own, not all mediums or psychics out there

1 (25m 2s):
Can

2 (25m 3s):
Provide that further.

1 (25m 4s):
Especially if they're giving you fear.

2 (25m 6s):
Yeah. That's a big thing.

1 (25m 7s):
And so what I find with, I know that I have said things and someone didn't get clarification. They thought it was a fear. There was some fear around there. I don't know, ask the question. If someone is telling you something that feels fear-based, then question them more about giving you more details. What does that look like? Because you should walk away feeling like you've got some nuggets moving up, everything resonated, but were there enough information in there? Were you open to that process? Because a lot of people want to know a, B and C. Well, it doesn't come through with a, B and C. We can't always see the future because things change. But we can see the future based on where we are at this moment or that person's energy. If your energy shifts and changes, when you move forward, it will look different.

1 (25m 50s):
So that's the other part of freewill. And so use your own intuition when you're getting into reading. If there's fear, if they're trying to tell you, you need to do something that's really weird, which is not something normal. Like, okay, you need to go do a, B and C before this curse or whatever, it will be removed.

2 (26m 10s):
Please run. Please run.

1 (26m 12s):
Don't listen. If it's fear-based, unless this is something in your belief system. But if it doesn't seem like you're getting peace, you're not getting the answers. You're feeling like when you walked away, wow, this is, this was scary or scary. Yeah. You want to pay attention to what do each one? Most of my sessions, people tell me it takes a couple of weeks to process. So if they walk away feeling yay, when they go back and listen to the recording. So recording your sessions are also very valuable to you because you may miss things in your emotional and when have these emotions, they go to the emotional piece of what they want versus the process of what the person is telling them. Especially me. I will go through.

1 (26m 53s):
And like, when I do Facebook live, I asked for who they want to speak to in a private session. Nothing, none of those questions are asked unless someone didn't come through that they wanted to hear from. Then I give them that opportunity. However, I never try to create fear, their loved ones stuck. They're mad at you. And that doesn't happen. I wouldn't do this work. If that's what came through, the person that I'm doing the reading for is already in a place of grief. And they need healing

2 (27m 19s):
And fear sometimes. Cause they don't know, they don't know what to expect.

1 (27m 22s):
Yeah. And they're worried that something negative is going to come through. So for me as a messenger, I can talk about the situation, but talk about how the perspective of it in different ways. So someone can learn to process and deal with it. So it does take some times awhile and read, listening to that recording is vital.

2 (27m 40s):
The only reason. And I do say this a lot too, and we read some information the other day that that really spurred this podcast to come about as well, with a medium that's out there that doesn't really communicate very well and does create more grief

1 (27m 60s):
Challenges.

2 (28m 1s):
Right? And that's the biggest thing is, is when the healing that I hear that comes from a session with you as a reputable, good medium versus the harm that can come from somebody not quite as wise or experienced sharing information, that's more hurtful than healing.

1 (28m 21s):
And what I find sometimes is that they have more of an ego versus a feeling of who is your audience. And for me, I want to go through my own stuff in life. I have my own grief, my own hiccups in life and let life lessons. So I understand that I am still that human being, having a spiritual, being, having that human experience. And I have to recognize that, that I have failures. I have mistakes. My intuition is great for other people. Maybe sometimes I don't listen to my own. Right. But what I find when someone feels like they have this ability, they take it to a place of, there's not, they're not humble. And they just sort of say things that their

2 (29m 2s):
Ego gets in the

1 (29m 3s):
Way it's in the way. Now I do believe that I have to have an ego to do this work, a

2 (29m 7s):
Healthy

1 (29m 8s):
Ego, a healthy ego. Because to say, to tell people, you're, you can do this. You get a

2 (29m 12s):
Lot of, I talked to the dead after

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The dead. What do you do? Which I don't know what you share with everybody if I'm in that situation. But it, to me, I have to be humble and honored that I'm able to be a messenger where some of them will feel like they know all

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They I'm the guru,

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I'm the guru. And guess what? We're not doers. We're still trying to figure out our own life. And I know that throughout my career, in this work, my readings have changed based my experiences and what I've been through. Especially going through a lot of suicides in my life has changed how I do readings or support that community that have mental health or depression or have suicided. So it does change based on our experience. But if some medium out there psychic says something and it is hurtful and it doesn't feel

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Healing.

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It is just

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How the seeds have shepherd. It's just their belief system.

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It's what they're sharing. Just

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Like it's where they're at. That's where they're at

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All religions, all cultures, all different families have a different way of believing. And so do people in this work. And when I share things, I always say, this is from my experience. I'm not saying it's the only way I never say this is the only way. Except when it comes to ethics, ethics is different. I will always be on board and on top of that and questioning when that's not. And if your person that you're hiring, if you say, well, what's your ethics and they really don't have anything. Or they're telling you that loved one is stuck. Things like that. Just know it's where they are in their journey of this profession.

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So really do, like you said, do your due diligence to find some money and take the time to really find someone that's going to be good for you in your situation. And before we used to be in the closet, we didn't come out very often. And now, now we're more mainstream. So there are a lot of people coming out saying, yes, I've been doing this for a long time. Take the experience as walking in being open-minded, but also listen to your own intuition

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And healthy skepticism is okay. Absolutely cynicism, maybe not so much, but healthy skepticism is okay. Even in your sessions are open to skeptics. Okay?

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Okay. We had, for us, we have people really prepare because they're there waiting for a while and they pay some good money. And we want someone to walk away with a really good experience. However, when people don't do their side of it, we find more challenges. At least I do when I'm doing the reading, because someone comes through that, they didn't remember the had died, things like that, or they didn't want to hear from that individual. I get that a lot. I don't want to hear from like that.

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I'm like, I don't want to hear what my ex-mother-in-law says. I'm like, well, that's too bad. Cause it's

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So it's being open to all possibilities. I remember we did something online here while back, and I want to bring this up because it was really a challenge and I had to get up and walk away. But because the person didn't prepare, she wanted to hear just from her mother. And that was the beginning of the reading of the group, reading it, put a kink in my hose. Basically. This is what we say. And I kept getting two police officers, two police officers that had died and everyone, no one could validate. Well, when I came to her, I said, finally said, I said, well, who do you want to hear from? Because I was just getting blocked. And she was in her sixties. So she didn't just have her mother Pash, plenty of others. And so I talked to her mother and her mother came through and said, you know who these police officers are. And she goes, oh yeah, they were my mom's brothers.

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They were uncles.

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Oh my gosh, no, I don't remember that. Yeah.

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It really tipped over the whole group because then it was a challenge and people didn't want to be there and they didn't want to believe because it was the sense of you have to be part of the session. And so when you're getting a reading from anyone, especially me, you can be a skeptic. You can not be me information, but the validation is important is to be able to help, to continue so that you get more people closer information. And that's the key that happens just once in a while. And then I would get frustrated.

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That's the first time I've seen, I've seen it in a group where the hose was kinked that much, that much, but

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Normally

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Shifted the energy once it flowed fine.

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Fine. So take your part too. When you're doing, when you're hiring somebody to really investigate how they are as a medium, if they're giving you work to do, do the work, which is what you go over more than once with the client. Okay?

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Yeah, because we want them to have the best experience possible. We want them to be in a good Headspace. So you know, all the stuff that, you know, over 21 years has helped them through their session, through their side of it.

1 (33m 56s):
And part of that, when you get other people coming through, it helps validate more that I didn't know anything about you. I didn't do any research. You know, you want to, if you want people to know that without a doubt, they walked away saying, yeah, my loved ones. Okay. And this is who they're with. So on that side, and then when it comes to a psychic reading, to be able to have that psychic, including myself, give information that is, can be validated at the time of the session so that as you move forward, you can trust it and do it. That the work is really up to you as well. So bottom line here, when you are looking to hire someone with my abilities, do your work really, really look to see what is their background.

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If you're paying $25 for a reading, they may be really good, but also expect that their qualifications may be worth $25. Does that make sense now? You and I, when we travel, we go see a psychic at times and we have fun. And part of that is for me to be on the other side, to listen to how someone delivers a message, but it's also okay to have it as entertainment and fun. And also just get a in, you know, what are you sending out to the universe? What is part of your energy what's being said? And a lot of times we don't like to look at our own, our own stuff.

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As a psychic, you don't want to look at your own stuff.

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Do you see me sometimes ignoring my own stuff? No,

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Never, never dumped shepherd.

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I want to ignore it. So when I wanted to be in my soap box, the last couple of weeks is because people were more hurt by the medium than the healing part. So if you're choosing to hire a psychic or a medium, do you work, it should be something that you can trust that you're putting your, your heart out there, your, your energy, your money, your time to get somebody that can help you through the healing process, because it does work. And I know that people have come back and said it was two years of therapy, and that's what your sessions should feel like. It should feel like you've got the answers you need to move forward. What I'm going to recommend for you is to listen to my other podcast, to see if the things I'm sharing resonate with you.

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And these are the things you want to ask anyone that you're hiring. So follow my podcast, join my classes, whatever it takes to be able to help yourself heal. And because of zoom, we have clients all over the world. So it's not limited to zip code. Thank you for joining us on spirited straight talk. Thank you for listening to today's episode. I hope it inspired you. If you enjoyed our conversation, make sure you subscribe so that you get notified of new episodes and let's get connected. Visit Deb shepherd.com for more insights, support workshops, and a book, a session with me. And finally, always remember your loved ones in spirit, or just a thought away, even though they're on the other side, they're always by your side.